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Becoming Whole
Relationships and sexuality are areas of life that can be beautiful or confusing, life-giving, or painful. Becoming Whole is a conversational podcast for men, women, and families seeking to draw nearer to Jesus as they navigate topics like sexual integrity, relational healing, spiritual health, and so much more.
Becoming Whole
Unpacking the Unique Approach of Curiosity
In this episode, James Craig, Spiritual Coach at REGEN, welcomes Aaron Tagert, Spiritual Coach and leader of the upcoming Awaken retreat, to discuss overcoming unwanted sexual behavior. They delve into the importance of facing deep-rooted traumas rather than seeking quick fixes. Through examples and insights, they explore repentance and how men often resist revisiting their painful pasts. The discussion emphasizes cultivating curiosity, labeling sexual fantasies as messengers, and inviting Jesus into the healing process. Aaron also previews the transformative experiences planned for the Awaken retreat. Tune in to learn how facing your struggles head-on can lead to true healing and intimacy with Jesus.
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Hi everyone. This is James Craig, spiritual coach and Awaken coordinator at Regen For the month of August. On Becoming Whole, I'll be talking with some of my incredible colleagues about some of the topics that we're going to actually cover at our upcoming retreats. We have our Awaken retreat coming this September and our Sacred by Design retreat this, I believe, october or early November. More details in the show notes on that. But today I'm actually welcoming Aaron Taggart, who is actually the leader of our first ever Awaken retreat this fall. He'll be leading along with Josh and I. For those who don't know him, aaron spent years as a teacher and now isa men's spiritual coach and unwanted group leader here at Regeneration. Aaron, thanks for being on Becoming Whole.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks, james, for having me on here today. It's super excited for our conversation and for these retreats.
Speaker 1:Likewise. So, aaron, if I'm coming into your office as someone who is looking for coaching and wants to overcome my unwanted sexual behavior, I want you to fix me and get me out of your office ASAP, like I want. Maybe one session, maybe maybe a month. I'm willing to give you. What do you say to me if I come in with that posture?
Speaker 2:I'm probably going to, as gently as possible, talk to you about maybe curbing that expectation expectation a little bit. There's when, when, when clients come in, often I feel like they, they think they have an idea of you know this, I just this. Is it Like this is the one thing that I need? Or if I can just kind of shore this area up there, everything else is going to be just fine and it shouldn't take that long because you know, it's just this one, just this one thing, this one area.
Speaker 2:But what often happens and it's it's kind of, it's kind of like peeling back layers of an onion and I know that analogy kind of gets used and you want to go the Shrek route. You know, I guess he would say that that cakes have layers. You know why not cakes? That definitely tastes better than onions. But yeah, there's there's this process of just kind of gently, um, peeling back some of these different things and and what begins to happen is clients begin to see that there are, that their struggles are actually connected to different parts of their story, maybe from when they were younger.
Speaker 2:You know, four, five, six, even I've had some clients share some things, maybe in the teen years, and we're talking. You know it could be big, big things like big T traumas. It could also be little T traumas things that kind of happen over and over and over, maybe some bullying or something along those lines. But that typically is what ends up happening is that clients don't come in with any of that on their radar and then, as we begin to just talk and they begin to share and open up and with some of these different questions, they begin to identify some pretty significant wounds that they've been carrying and maybe they've never voiced before.
Speaker 1:Makes me think of our definition of a trigger in Awaken. In our Awaken content, we define a trigger as any kind of emotional pain or discomfort that resonates with an unhealed wound. It's not just pain or discomfort on its own. There's something actually being triggered from our past, from our, as you say, story.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, that's really good that you bring that up, because Bessel van der Paal talks about and Body Keeps the Score that traumas live in our bodies, and so we have these trauma responses in our bodies that are related to these different times, these different events, these different traumas that we've experienced and maybe have forgotten, but our bodies haven't forgotten, and so that experience lives and almost becomes activated in a way right, because that pain has not been handled, it's not been healed.
Speaker 2:And Father Richard Rohr talks about transforming pain versus transmitting, and that if we don't transform our pain, that we end up transmitting it onto others. Again, just this idea of it just continuing to live and and kind of breathe, almost like a parasite, you know, kind of lives off of its host, this pain that we have kind of continues to live and and breathe and maybe even grow in in some ways. And so you know we have to go back, as, as pete scissaro says, that we have to go back, as Pete Scazzaro says, we have to go backwards in order to go forwards in a more healthy place, in a more whole place.
Speaker 1:So it's not just as simple as I need to just stop lusting. I need to perhaps say I'm sorry to God once again, and that will be enough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think that is enough right, and and I never want to be one to say like, oh, this is like, this is a prescription or the path, you know, but but there's something about you know this in a lot of ways, kind of connecting our struggle to our story and doing some of this work and beginning to kind of go back. You know, going back is really this. It's this picture of breaking up maybe something you know breaking up ground, you know Hosea 10, 12 talks about sowing to yourself in righteousness, reap in mercy and break up your fallow ground, for it is time to seek the Lord. Fallow ground for it is time to seek the lord. So in that work, you know where have things gone dry or become dead, and that breaking up that fallow ground is the ground that's just not able to produce fruit. You know the nutrients aren't there, it's's really hard soil, so it needs to be tilled, it needs to be turned over and sometimes, when you're doing that, there are field stones.
Speaker 2:I remember when I was working as a landscaper in college, I did that a couple summers and we would do some work in some fields and some different things and every now and then your shovel would just hit this massive rock and it gets in the way, like these field stones get in the way and prevent that growth in that soil. So we have to remove those field stones if you will. But that doesn't happen unless we are willing and actually break up that shallow, solid ground as hosea talks about sounds like you're describing repentance in the deeper sense.
Speaker 1:I think I often hear the word repentance as I say I'm sorry, which actually is a little bit closer to something like confessing that we've done something wrong, which is is a huge, important biblical concept. But repentance is a broader concept. It's like this journey. It could happen in a moment as well, but it's this process typically of turning around, renewing the mind. It's metanoia in the Greek right, so turning of the mind, and I think it's akin to what Paul talks about with renewing our minds. And so you're saying that, instead of it just being as simple, as you know, you tell me the truth I confess my sin and it's all done with.
Speaker 1:There's actually a process of repentance, a process of our mind, the hardened parts of our mind and our hearts being tilled so that God can do a deeper work. So why are we so against that? Maybe it's especially for men. We will have some of our female coaches on this month. I don't know how much different or similar it is for the women that they work with, but for the men we work with, for the men I work with at least, there's typically a deep resistance to this, like going back into the story getting into the wounds, tilling the ground. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's a great question, james, I think it's. I think just, you know, from the many clients you know I've been able to work with and seen, and I think even in my own experience too, as as men, I, you know, there's a sense where you know we, I think, want to, you know, be able to, to do things on our own and and to just there's something about the strength or the I you know there's so many different definitions of manhood and things, so many different definitions of manhood and things. I think that you know just kind of even come into that right, like a real man would be able to, you know, do this or to do that, and and I don't think that's, I don't think that's necessarily true, I think it's, you know, there's something about, like, you know, we, we need it's almost even like in coaching, right is this? There's a sense of this kind of shepherding, like into some of these really difficult places, Cause, you know, listen, like you know got, like you know, clients who come in are struggling with, you know, pornography, addictions and and you know, other unwanted sexual behaviors.
Speaker 2:It's, it's oftentimes because they're trying to escape these very difficult things, these very painful things. So you know, so nobody wants to sit in the pain. It's easier to numb that and to do other things to take your mind off of it. But the real work, I think, in recovery happens when we are in that place, where we are breaking up that ground, we do begin to go backwards and to begin to transform that pain that we've experienced so that we can stop transmitting it on onto others or through our own you know ways of acting out.
Speaker 1:You know, it makes me think of some of the men I've had the privilege of walking with in this process, and some of them are, you know, military guys. They've seen battle, they've been trained in incredible ways, but facing the pain of their past, of their childhood, like there's a, there's a almost different type or another layer of courage. You know, they've got incredible courage. They can run longer than I can. They could sustain, battle you in ways that I've never been trained to. But going into those painful places is maybe scarier, maybe it's more difficult than actually some of what they've been prepared for. And it makes me think, though I could imagine, and I have heard some say aren't we supposed to flee, though? Aren't we supposed to flee? Aren't we supposed to flee, though? Aren't we supposed to flee, doesn't Paul? And don't we see the example of Joseph fleeing their temptation or fleeing from, you know, the possibility of sexual sin? Shouldn't it just be like I should just practice fleeing more, and that might help solve things?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean fleeing. You know, I think there's definitely a time to flee and you know some of the biblical examples you know mentioned you know, you know, with Joseph and Potiphar's wife or whatever it might be, but even as Paul's talking about it, and you know just, there's something about the sexual nature of saying how men and women are created, that there's just something appealing about that so much that the fleeing is the fastest and quickest response. And there are definitely times where that's needed just to kind of get out of I don't know harm's way, so to speak, and to try to just get your, in a sense, your wits about you again, to be able to just remove some of that temptation, things to to think clearly, right it's. You know, the Lord's given us not a spirit of fear and timidity but a peace and a sound mind, and sometimes we need to remove ourselves from a situation to then be able to kind of access that sound mind. And so fleeing is definitely needed at some point. But you know, if you think about like just turning and running away from something or someone, right, what happens? You ever ask yourself the question what happens when you stop running, and what is that thing or that person is following you and running after you, right? So if you're running and fleeing and you stop and you turn around, there's a chance it could be right there again. So you know, I think that the fleeing is a temporary solution, whereas facing the difficulty, the pain, in a lot of ways even the temptation, the fantasy, as we'll kind of get into here, I think, in a little bit but to face it is a more long-term solution In some other kind of non-sexual related ways.
Speaker 2:David fled Saul for his life, but he didn't stay hidden in the caves life, but he didn't stay hidden in the caves. He was brought back. He came back to salt, face to face. You know, I even think about you know that. You know in Jesus and like entering in to the city and knowing what this meant by coming in. You know Hosanna is entering in and it was going to mean the end of his life and laying that down on the cross for for you, me, for all of us. And he didn't flee that, he faced it. So I do think there's something really profound about this kind of long-term solution of of entering into that and facing. You know, facing this.
Speaker 1:You know, when we look closer at the Joseph story, we realized that he was being, you know, sought after, seduced by Potiphar's wife for a time period, not just for that single moment. Right, he didn't actually flee until she was literally, I think, undressing him or really cornering him with no one around. So he managed to be around what was an incredible opportunity to perhaps for status, for pleasure, for power, day in and day out, but didn't actually flee until the absolute moment it was necessary. So there's something more. It sounds like underneath the surface of someone like Joseph, more it sounds like underneath the surface of someone like Joseph, something about the character God wants us to have that isn't maybe forever fleeing or constantly fleeing, but is actually fleeing, you know appropriately. But facing is our more default response.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And facing is hard Again. That's like that's some of that really hard work. Like you know, if you're going to face something again, it might mean sitting in that pain and coming face to face with something that you don't you don't want to be face to face with. You know, it might be the very thing that's killing you. Um, I've been so uh, enthralled with, uh, the book of numbers, um, and lot of people are like man Numbers.
Speaker 1:I feel like Numbers is worse than.
Speaker 2:Leviticus in terms of how interesting it is oh man, yeah, I definitely rank Numbers above Leviticus, but there's a part in the wilderness there in Numbers 21, verses 6 to 9, where the Israelites have been. You know, they're kind of in that kind of questioning and rebelling, kind of against god and what you know. Why did you bring us out here all these kinds of things? Right, we see that just repeated over and over, you know, in the wilderness by them. But so one of these times, you know, he, he sends serpents, and so they're bidding, they're being bitten by poisonous snakes and they're dying, and then his solution is to have Moses create a bronze serpent and put it up on a pole. And the only way for the Israelites to be healed is for them to look upon the very thing which is killing them. And they were healed. They'd be bitten, poisons entering in, going through the body. They look upon the serpent, the thing that was killing them and now healing.
Speaker 1:So again, there's something about facing these things and I think that's probably the the strongest image you know I could think of, even biblically, that you know, facing instead of fleeing, and the necessity of that in a healing journey We've both been through the unwanted certified guide training, which it always sounds funny when I say I'm an unwanted certified guide from Jay Stringer's book Unwanted and Jay uses an image of meeting our fantasies out on the porch as a way to face them.
Speaker 1:Now I think you and I both found this incredibly helpful and yet it still feels risky. I remember back actually in the unwanted guide training they had us list out do you remember this? They listed we had to list out something that would be really tempting, like a fantasy that could really arouse, and it just felt incredibly vulnerable to access that kind of space. I think for most of the men and women listening to becoming whole, the idea of facing a fantasy maybe that's connected to a wound feels incredibly vulnerable. It feels like I might as well just, uh, search for porn right now. What do you say to that? How do you, how do we actually help the men and women we walk with at regen connect their fantasies to their story or connect their current struggles to their wounds?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's, that's so good, and I think that's been one of my biggest takeaways from being an unwanted guy. If we go shorter, which you're right, this does sound hilarious of cultivating curiosity, and this is not something that we are used to doing, it's not something the church has done a great job in, and walking with people in this particular area, and so to be able to even just give a second thought, that seems like oh, I'm not fleeing, right? And again, I think it comes back that there is a time to flee and there's a time to face, and I love what Jay talks about as far as that front porch and this house analogy that he uses, and he says that sexual fantasies are messengers. You may not like the news they bring, but they will knock on the door of your life until you listen to what they need to tell you. And so why then not listen? Why not begin to step out onto the porch? This isn't an invitation to let it in.
Speaker 2:There's a passage in Matthew that talks about when an evil spirit leaves the man and goes away and the man doesn't do anything to the house or to the rooms on the inside of the house, and so when the evil spirit comes back. He brings their friends. You know to paraphrase, he brings all his buddies and they come back in and the state of the man is worse than it was before. And so this certainly is not an invitation to entertain this in the house, right, so to speak, but to step out onto the porch like a visitor was coming, because there is that knock and we can ignore the knock. You know we can put, we can build higher fences around the yard, we could put landmines in the backyard, it doesn't matter. This thing is going to find its way up to the porch, up to that door and entrance of our, of our heart, of our life, and so we need to be able to grow in curiosity and this ability to ask some questions, step out on the porch and begin to engage.
Speaker 2:Why are you showing up? Why is it that this particular area is so hard for me? Why is it that this particular fantasy just gets me every time, or I have such a hard time saying no to these things, or when I find myself tired or angry or lonely, that you start to come around like what is that telling you right? And to begin to ask that, to have a little buffer space to ask some of these questions they don't get to. Here's the thing, right. This thing showing up in our door doesn't decide the conversation, it's offering information, but we can ask the questions if we're willing. And again, I think that's the beauty in coaching and kind of peeling back some of these things, going back so we can go forward, is to ask some of these questions what the heck do you want? Why are you showing up? And I think, yeah, for me. I love that concept of stepping on the porch and, again, this is a new concept for a lot of people and it takes some, it takes some time. I think even some guides, right Like, you know you, me, you know other coaches, I think even CSATs, right Like, but right, but to have these conversations with somebody who can, in a way again kind of shepherd you through some of these different ways of thinking about it.
Speaker 1:I think the Awaken tree is going to be an awesome opportunity for this. We plan to do it there. I do think it's wise sometimes to do this with someone like we were talking about. It's wise sometimes to do this with someone like we're talking about, maybe to do it outside or at a cafe, even though it feels extra vulnerable. There can be some wisdom to maybe not doing it at 11 pm when you're already feeling lonely by yourself. But nonetheless, facing allows us to connect back to wounds and I've been shocked, actually, aaron, how much talking about a fantasy which is never comfortable.
Speaker 1:No one comes in like, hey, I'm ready to just share my entire fantasy life with you. But when they are willing to get to that place of sharing a fantasy and processing it, we can almost always see it connect to a wound. One of the ways I do this is actually having the person share where they're feeling the fantasy in their body. Where they're feeling, perhaps, or if there was a trigger, even if they didn't even get into a place of fantasy, where are they feeling it in their body? And then asking Jesus, jesus, where have I felt this in my body before? If the body keeps the score, the body was designed by Jesus. Where have I felt this before? And sometimes we've been shocked by the memories that come up, things that they've never thought about or shared, etc. Where, like, there was a real clear connection between the fantasy that has so much power today, with a wound that might have happened when they were 12 or 8 years old, and as believers and maybe especially as male believers to do which you might call spiritual bypass. You know, I just need to kind of pull myself up, figure this thing out, flee, et cetera.
Speaker 1:We're actually saying, no, you need to do the harder work of facing what you've been through, facing wounds, facing things, and we believe at Regen that we failed at our job if we're not growing in intimacy with Jesus.
Speaker 1:So this is especially where I see the most fruit. So we're facing wounds, but we're not alone in facing those wounds. We're not just facing wounds for the sake of having a healthier brain although of course we want healthier brains or to become more emotionally healthy, although emotional health is so important but we're actually doing it with Jesus, who is outside of time, who was there when the wound occurred, who's willing to be with us, even in our fantasy. I often say to guys hey, when you go on the front porch, invite Jesus there Can you do this with Jesus, which adds a whole nother layer of vulnerability, but that's where Jesus can most meet us in that place of vulnerability. So, aaron, how do you find the presence of Jesus whether it's in the story or on the porch be so key to seeing guys grow in intimacy with him and move away from their sexual behavior?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's excellent, james, I think it's. You know, for me it comes back to that kind of even cultivating curiosity. You know, and before you know I really ingredients that go into a particular person's fantasy and why certain things are so arousing for some people but not others. And if you think about the like, if you go out to a restaurant, you know, and you're looking at a menu and they have a cocktail menu, right, and maybe you like to, you enjoy, you know, a cocktail here and there and you're looking at a menu and they have a cocktail menu, right, and maybe you enjoy a cocktail here and there and you're looking over these ingredients and it's like cucumber and thyme and aloe and you're like that just sounds disgusting, right. Like would never drink that in the middle, you couldn't pay me to drink that. But for somebody else they're like, oh, this is my jam. Like I love that combination of ingredients is like the most amazing thing I've ever, you know, drank or tasted right.
Speaker 1:There's a reason it's on the menu. It wouldn't be on the menu if yes, was buying it absolutely, absolutely right.
Speaker 2:So it's this, this, this kind of cultivating curiosity, and then, as we begin to do that, more, you know, know, with with Jesus, you know, and and going back and looking at some of these different things and it's like, okay, yeah, let's let him out on that porch, let's invite him onto. I would even say he might be inviting us out onto that porch with him to engage. That that could be another podcast. But you know the the question you know comes up for me is where might he be inviting you to see him in your story where you haven't seen him before? So maybe it is back into one of these, you know, like these, you know different trauma moments, or as you're experiencing some of these different you know pain points or things, or even you might even be listening to this now and something might be coming up for you. And that question where might he be inviting you to see him in your story where you previously haven't seen him because you've been unable to see him because of that trauma, because of that pain? But he was there. And so, again, just beginning to step into that, romans 2.4 tells us that it is kindness that leads to repentance. So God's kindness is what leads us to change and you talked about repentance earlier, where James read this turning and there's a kindness that the Lord offers us and wants to be with us through that process.
Speaker 2:And he does the same thing. He doesn't come and condemn Adam. He asks Adam, where are you? He wants to be with him. He comes at them with these questions. To Cain, he asks why are you so angry and why is your face falling? He knows the answer, but he wanted to be with Cain. He wanted to be with Adam To Hagar where do you come from and where are you going? Again, he knows the answer, but there's this invitation to kind of, this unspoken word of you know, be with me, be with me in this. I'm with you in this. Be with me in this.
Speaker 1:There's something about Jesus wanting to be with us as we are, not as we should be. We say, actually in Awaken, we just we're in the spirit module this kind of quarter of the year in Awaken 360. And we talk about how we often think I need to overcome my sin so that I can go be with God, but actually that's exactly backwards. The only way we're ever going to overcome our sin in a substantive way, at a heart level, true repentance is by him being with us, entering in, coming onto the porch or inviting us out to the porch. And so I actually love sometimes in coaching, when we get to this kind of place, whether it is with a memory or whatever. Where was Jesus in that memory? What's his countenance? Often it's incredible sadness on his face. It's what they describe when they're using their holy imagination for this. Often it's a sense that he loves me, even though this was the first time I looked at porn and I felt this thrill of both shame and pleasure, et cetera. But he actually loved me in that place.
Speaker 1:And so I think in our own inner worlds we've often rejected those places in ourselves, and maybe our parents modeled that as well. Maybe they've rejected some of those places in themselves and didn't know what it meant to be loved by God in those places. So there's just an incredible power. You actually wanted to call you got nixed on this, Aaron, sadly maybe, but the Cultivating Curiosity Retreat was almost what the Awakened Retreat ended up being called, because there's just something so powerful that even as I read books on formation, Jim Wilder and company, they talk about how curiosity shows that our brains actually operating fully on the right brain side of things, that when we're able to get to that place of curiosity with others, with ourselves, with God, that shows that our brain is actually operating the way it was intended to.
Speaker 1:So there's something really powerful to that because, antithetically to that is when our brain is kind of jammed up at the bottom, whether it's in the amygdala, fight or flight response, or even lower, in the attachment center. That's where addiction often is residing. So even getting yourself to this place of curiosity can be a huge step toward growing as the man or woman that God has made you to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:I'll give you the last word, aaron, anything you want to say about this or how it's going to apply to the Awaken Retreat this September.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So we're going to go into more detail at the retreat on some of these things and have an opportunity to do some small group work, some personal work, but also some small group work where we step into and press into some of these things a little bit more in that guided way that we were kind of talking about this kind of shepherded way of beginning to be more curious. I'm so deeply thankful for Jay's work and for really I think in a lot of ways kind of bringing this to light that there is a different way to go about entering into healing, pursuing healing, looking at our stories, than some of those other pieces that I think a lot of churches. The approach is pray more, read more. Those things are beautiful and those things are important and at the end of the day, those things are very necessary because that comes back to the relational component that the Lord pursues us and loves us. He calls us his sons and daughters before we do anything to earn that. So there's this relational component. I mean, when he created Adam, he got down, he got dirty, he used his hands, he fashioned Adam, he spoke everything else into existence, but he fashioned man with his hands. There is something so personal about that, and so the reading and the praying that's the personal aspect of relationship. We do need to do that, but our healing isn't going to come, probably, through that avenue. It's going to be this being with Jesus and seeing him throughout these different areas of our story that we can go backwards and bring healing to those areas and so that we can move forward in more healing and wholeness.
Speaker 2:And so I'm excited that you know to have this retreat and to you know, for anyone you know he's been listening and thinking oh man, is this something I want to do? I just would encourage you to to take that step to, to begin to entertain that curiosity. What would it look like if I started, or if I had a different approach or I started doing this a different way? And so, yeah, I'm looking forward to that in September, that opportunity to begin to help men kind of see this in a new way. Yeah, there's this thing. You know, there's an old saying that I think is a commercial right. It's like, you know, knowledge is power. The more you know and I feel like, when it comes to this, like the more we know, the less power these struggles will have on us. And so there's a real tangible and I've seen it in client after client. You know, the more that they step into their story and the more that they understand and engage, the more I would say, yeah, healing that they experience Because the same temptations if they don't have the same amount of power as they did before, because they're able to see it in a different way, they're able to understand it a little bit differently.
Speaker 2:So cultivating is a process, the I-N-G. It's a process cultivating curiosity, and this is a really great opportunity to begin that process. But no matter where you're at in your journey, if you've been doing that or you're new to that, there's always an invitation to more. Again, I go back to that fallow ground, like what ground might need to still be broken up. If you're in the process of breaking up that ground, have you come across any field stones that need to be removed and how are you going about removing those field stones? So, no matter where you're at on that journey, this is going to be a really beautiful opportunity for that work to take place.
Speaker 1:Now? Yes, the Awaken Retreat early bird deadline is next Friday from the date of this release, so please go ahead and get signed up. We only have a total of 20 or 21 spots available. It's going to be a really intimate overnight retreat at Bon Secours Retreat Center with four meals provided throughout the two days. Really looking forward to seeing some of y'all there. And then the Sacred by Design Retreat. More details in the show notes, but the registration is up. So if you're a woman, that's again a very limited space retreat for later in the fall, but you to sign up and thank you so much for tuning in. We'll talk to you next week on the Becoming Whole podcast.
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